Admin Table 9/15/2013

[Incognito]

[4:08pm] Incognito: Ok, let's get started
[4:08pm] SMR-adam: k
[4:08pm] Incognito: The main goal of this admin table is to discuss the recent ship and port changes
[4:08pm] Incognito: and to address and questions/concerns the player base might have
[4:08pm] Incognito: We know not everyone reads the web board
[4:09pm] Incognito: so this is a good opportunity to get more input
[4:09pm] Incognito: Ship changes can be viewed here: http://goo.gl/JgVvSj
[4:09pm] Incognito: The two biggest adjustments are the cost of each Racial warbird
[4:10pm] Incognito: which have been increased
[4:10pm] • Requeim still thinks top racials need a exp qualifier
[4:10pm] Incognito: Page has made efforts to balance the price with the cost of outfitting the ships
[4:11pm] Incognito: What would you propose as an exp qualifier?
[4:12pm] Requeim: 40 To 50k minimum on long games
[4:12pm] SMR-adam: makes sense
[4:12pm] the570z: There is one problem with that, planet/port death xp cost
[4:12pm] SMR-adam: maybe like
[4:12pm] SMR-adam: once you get there
[4:12pm] SMR-adam: u can always get it
[4:12pm] the570z: you cant realistically have all your oppers have over 100k so they can die more then twice
[4:13pm] Requeim: Yeah i like that
[4:13pm] Incognito: So an unlocking mechanism?
[4:13pm] SMR-adam: meet the requirement, then die as much as you want
[4:13pm] SMR-adam: it seems like
[4:13pm] SMR-adam: the increase price of the ships
[4:13pm] SMR-adam: met with the increase price of profit
[4:13pm] SMR-adam: does nothing really?
[4:13pm] the570z: earlier ships are cheaper
[4:13pm] Incognito: Yes
[4:14pm] the570z: the goal is to get people to use the weenie ships more

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[4:14pm] Incognito: the other big change is an increase if firepower for the early class hunter
[4:14pm] SMR-adam: this seems fun
[4:14pm] SMR-adam: we;ll see how it pans out
[4:14pm] SMR-adam:
[4:14pm] SMR-adam: the thing about making the top racial more expensive too, is that an op already is tough with those 40 man alliance we had last game
[4:15pm] SMR-adam: now our alliance have 10 people?
[4:15pm] the570z: I said on the wb but ill say it in here, I think most of the changes are good, just the neutral ships in the early hunter class are overpowered
[4:15pm] Bouncer was promoted to operator by ChanServ.
[4:15pm] Page_: increasing the price of the raiders means that it's possible to do more stuff with price
[4:15pm] SMR-adam: so how will the more expensive ship and less player per alliance pan out
[4:15pm] SMR-adam: more cost/person @ op
[4:15pm] the570z: well ship costs went up but cash went up same amount
[4:15pm] Page_: as it was, the difference between 2mil for an as basic as you can get hunter, vs 12mil for a raider gives no room for price differences
[4:15pm] Incognito: remember, you will be getting a refund from dying too
[4:15pm] the570z: so in reality small ships are cheaper and top racials cost the same
[4:16pm] Page_: yeah
[4:16pm] Page_: well top racials should be slightly more expensive
[4:16pm] SMR-adam: makes sense
[4:16pm] Page_: but largely it's a case of every other ship is now cheaper
[4:16pm] Incognito: the570z, which neutral hunters did you have in mind?
[4:17pm] Page_: meaning you can buy 3 hunters for the price of a raider
[4:17pm] the570z: the two celstials and the fw are overpowered compared to the racials in the same price category
[4:18pm] SMR-adam: seems like a neutral should be more expensive
[4:18pm] SMR-adam: your race is giving you a deal
[4:18pm] Incognito: there is an error on the Ship page, I think
[4:20pm] Jester-: i just want to say
[4:20pm] Page_: 360 scouts is indeed an error
[4:20pm] Jester-: that :D is ridiculous
[4:20pm] Incognito: What would you propose for the two celestials, 570?
[4:20pm] Jester-: since i just scouted all of omar
[4:20pm] Jester-: hi SpaceDoG
[4:21pm] the570z: I was thinking take a weapon off them
[4:21pm] the570z: bring them down to 6
[4:21pm] Incognito: So that's basically a lvl 2 weap
[4:22pm] the570z: I dunno
[4:22pm] the570z: its hard to say
[4:22pm] Page_: what makes them so much stronger?
[4:22pm] the570z: defense is higher then most racials
[4:22pm] Incognito: both die if they don't fire against the other
[4:22pm] the570z: they have CDs to boot which the racials dont
[4:22pm] the570z: for the most part
[4:23pm] the570z: I know niji is always weak but the comparative niji ship has 430 total defense
[4:23pm] the570z: oops
[4:23pm] Incognito: The Creo Goliath has more defense
[4:23pm] the570z: I just notice cds
[4:23pm] Page_: it has 580
[4:23pm] Page_: and 50 cds for damage
[4:23pm] the570z: ya
[4:23pm] the570z: sorry
[4:24pm] the570z: bounty hunter for eg
[4:24pm] the570z: 500 total
[4:24pm] Jester-: i think we should restart the round
[4:24pm] the570z: no cds
[4:24pm] the570z: same speed
[4:24pm] Page_: the BH has +4 base speed more
[4:24pm] Jester-: and kick the admin
[4:24pm] the570z: combatant same speed
[4:24pm] Jester-: y/n?
[4:25pm] GreyDeath: Jester talk to me in PM
[4:25pm] SMR-adam: it seems like the racial hunter idea is neat
[4:25pm] Page_: oh ffs
[4:25pm] SMR-adam: lets play it out
[4:25pm] Page_: how many ship errors are there
[4:25pm] Jester-: lol
[4:25pm] Incognito: lol
[4:25pm] Jester-: we've missed you Page_ overlord
[4:25pm] Page_: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... fM2c#gid=9
[4:25pm] Incognito: I'll look through it tonight page
[4:25pm] Incognito: I can get you a list
[4:25pm] Page_: basically, that list is what they should be
[4:26pm] the570z: well then most of my objections were about things that are not real
[4:26pm] the570z: Unless the FW is accurate
[4:26pm] the570z: as it is also in early hunter price category
[4:26pm] Page_: but yeah, both celestial should be 9 speed
[4:26pm] Page_: and now are
[4:27pm] the570z: fw either needs to be more expensive
[4:27pm] Page_: the FW I think is correct
[4:27pm] the570z: or get an armor sheild cut further
[4:27pm] the570z: as it costs only 700k more(pittance)
[4:27pm] the570z: but its a /9
[4:27pm] Incognito: remember, it only has a base speed of 9
[4:27pm] Page_: the downside to the FW is no mines
[4:27pm] the570z: and 7.5 weapons
[4:28pm] Incognito: and restriction to good players
[4:28pm] SMR-adam: fw is ok
[4:28pm] SMR-adam: maybe a little more dollars
[4:28pm] SMR-adam: how much is fu?
[4:28pm] Jester-: you know i've been thinking
[4:28pm] the570z: 21 mil
[4:28pm] Incognito: 21.2 mil
[4:28pm] Jester-: i think every ship should have at least 5-10mines
[4:29pm] Jester-: since game is so fast now
[4:29pm] SMR-adam: lol
[4:29pm] Jester-: its only way to slow people down
[4:29pm] SMR-adam: then dont go thevian
[4:29pm] Jester-: <3 thevian
[4:29pm] Page_: yeah, the FW might be slightly on the cheap side for what it is
[4:29pm] Requeim: Yeah. Sucks being in my top racial. And having to ship down to drop seeds for alliance
[4:29pm] Jester-: lets get rid of top racials
[4:29pm] SMR-adam: FU and FW both maybe
[4:29pm] SMR-adam: FU at least is a little more expensive
[4:29pm] Jester-: make planets do 2/3 to hunters
[4:29pm] SMR-adam: but has less defense than competitors
[4:29pm] Jester-: or some :D
[4:30pm] SMR-adam: i think they talk mostly about the new changes
[4:30pm] SMR-adam: but this seems like a neat concept
[4:30pm] Jester-: lets make another good/evil ship based on high/low alignment (say 450)
[4:30pm] Incognito: With the reduced turn cost from hitting mines, I can see the price on the FW increasing a bit
[4:30pm] SMR-adam: definitely busting in a hunter is risky
[4:30pm] SMR-adam: but i think it would boost activity if people could get away with a carapce bust
[4:31pm] Requeim: I like that jester
[4:31pm] the570z: Just make the planets not hit smaller ships even more
[4:31pm] the570z: so if you get smacked, your dead
[4:31pm] SMR-adam: ya
[4:31pm] the570z: but the odds are low
[4:31pm] Jester-: lets make the game fun again
[4:31pm] Jester-: can you implement that page?
[4:31pm] SMR-adam: % chance of hitting is 1/2 that of the raiders
[4:31pm] Page_: the issue with that is the ship still needs to be balanced
[4:31pm] Incognito: yeah, hunters become very strong then
[4:31pm] Page_: whereas you want them to be OP ships
[4:32pm] Page_: for the +/-450 align ships
[4:32pm] SMR-adam: but then your miner can come to an op
[4:32pm] Jester-: i said get rid of top racials
[4:32pm] SMR-adam: instead of sitting at home playing with himself
[4:32pm] Jester-: i put hbs in ops
[4:32pm] Jester-: *******
[4:32pm] Jester-: hbcs*
[4:32pm] the570z: lol we bring em too
[4:32pm] Incognito: language please
[4:32pm] the570z: and TMs
[4:32pm] Jester-: oh god
[4:32pm] Jester-: isn't the average age here like 40
[4:32pm] SMR-adam: TMs are opping ship
[4:32pm] Requeim: Lol
[4:32pm] SMR-adam: im 12.
[4:32pm] Requeim: 34 here
[4:32pm] Page_: we're not all as old as you Jester-
[4:32pm] Jester-: you were when u started
[4:33pm] SMR-adam: lol true story
[4:33pm] Jester-: i don't like smr's current game environment
[4:33pm] Jester-: idk what it is
[4:33pm] Page_: my take on hunters vs raiders is that raiders should be raiding ships, great for ports/planets
[4:33pm] Page_: but weak vs hunters
[4:33pm] Page_: as hunters are designed to kill ships
[4:33pm] SMR-adam: raider will beat a hunter now
[4:33pm] Page_: yeah, right now they will for sure
[4:34pm] Jester-: anyone got ideas to make smr fun again?
[4:34pm] the570z: I like pages thoughts
[4:34pm] SMR-adam: well you cant keep throwing more guns @ it
[4:34pm] Astax_: I DO
[4:34pm] SMR-adam: captrure the flag
[4:34pm] Page_: well, I can throw quite a lot at weapons at them!
[4:34pm] Page_: look at the retaliation
[4:34pm] the570z: what we need to do is find a way to reward activity more
[4:34pm] SMR-adam: lol i saw
[4:34pm] Astax_: FU needs more weapons
[4:34pm] Requeim: I agree with jester. We have to do something where the game revolves more around trading and port raids then hunting. Its killing the player base.. we used to be 1k a game
[4:34pm] Astax_ is now known as Astax.
[4:34pm] SMR-adam: but 5 level one weps wont be fun
[4:34pm] Jester-: id ont like the turn based anymore
[4:34pm] the570z: also with ships that have crazy guns
[4:35pm] Jester-: we need timed base or something
[4:35pm] the570z: can we remove the limit of buying weapons on class
[4:35pm] the570z: and just make it power level
[4:35pm] Jester-: like x seconds per sector, or per warp or w/e
[4:35pm] Holti: Now that we have more than one coder - Page, Ronsilver, and Astax, we hope to add new features soon.
[4:35pm] the570z: so you can arm with 6 lvl 3s or something
[4:35pm] Page_: well I want to make the lower level weapons be more useful
[4:35pm] Astax: well we could move to cooldown based movement. So you can move nonstop but after each move you must wait x seconds to move again, based on ship speed
[4:35pm] Page_: because right now, they are just so useless
[4:35pm] Jester-: that's what imean
[4:35pm] SMR-adam: u could take a gun away from the raider
[4:35pm] SMR-adam:
[4:35pm] Jester-: make ships bigger
[4:35pm] Jester-: say 2x bigger
[4:36pm] Jester-: but x seconds to move
[4:36pm] Jester-: so you could get fired on 8 times
[4:36pm] Jester-: 2x defense
[4:36pm] Jester-: not offense
[4:36pm] Requeim: I like yhat astex it would make everyone equal soeed no matter on connection speed
[4:36pm] SMR-adam: ballsy
[4:36pm] Astax: there is an android game that does something like this basically
[4:36pm] SMR-adam: what about firing?
[4:36pm] SMR-adam: shooting cost no turns?
[4:36pm] Page_: firing would also need to be cooldown based
[4:37pm] Astax: firing also cooldown, you fire must wait x secodns to fire again... maybe different cooldown for eapon level
[4:37pm] SMR-adam: then, what stops xdx from staying online all day?
[4:37pm] Astax: so you can fire all your guns, then fire aagain but only your smaller guns
[4:37pm] Jouldax: nothing - why should that stop
[4:37pm] Astax: before you leave the secotr, or wait to fire all guns together
[4:37pm] SMR-adam:
[4:37pm] Page_: there would still need to be a limit
[4:37pm] Astax: he could be online all day but
[4:37pm] Astax: it would take a while to reach certain sectors
[4:37pm] Page_: I know quite a lot of people were overwhelmed by the amount of turns last game
[4:38pm] SMR-adam: ya
[4:38pm] Astax: so if he is in creo he cannot be in alskant in 2 seconds
[4:38pm] SMR-adam: tbh
[4:38pm] SMR-adam: i dont like thinking to wait 8 seconds per sector
[4:38pm] Jester-: no no
[4:38pm] Jester-: it'd be like 2-3 seconds max
[4:38pm] Jester-: yes all cd based
[4:38pm] the570z: ya
[4:38pm] Jester-: need balanced ofc
[4:38pm] Incognito: even that seems like a lot
[4:38pm] Jester-: remember diaspora?
[4:38pm] Jester-: rillaspora
[4:38pm] SMR-adam: but like
[4:38pm] the570z: alright im out
[4:38pm] SMR-adam: 2 sector move
[4:39pm] the570z: see you laters
[4:39pm] SMR-adam: ya i do
[4:39pm] SMR-adam: that was fun game
[4:39pm] SMR-adam: but diffenret in concept a bit
[4:39pm] Jester-: it's still open
[4:39pm] Jester-: i found an open server
[4:39pm] Jester-: anyways
[4:39pm] Jester-: i ttook time to jump
[4:39pm] Jester-: trading was random
[4:39pm] SMR-adam: but for 2 sector move
[4:39pm] Jester-: changed every 30min
[4:39pm] SMR-adam: or 3 sector move
[4:39pm] SMR-adam: it is impossible to sneak attack
[4:39pm] Jester-: well you could upgrade your warp speed
[4:39pm] SMR-adam: and our hour long ops
[4:39pm] Jester-: dpeending on tech and speed of ship
[4:39pm] Jester-: etc
[4:39pm] SMR-adam: would take 3 hours
[4:40pm] SMR-adam: ud have to shrink the galaxy
[4:40pm] SMR-adam: to make it manageable
[4:40pm] Jester-: i'm ok with that
[4:40pm] Jouldax: with this player base
[4:40pm] Jouldax: we've been shrinking the map
[4:40pm] Jouldax: sizes
[4:40pm] SMR-adam: also make sure it doesnt take a :D ton of time to trade
[4:40pm] Jouldax: why - you need to be able to shoot traders at ports
[4:41pm] Astax: well tradign would be retooled, lower supply demand, increase profit, add alternate profit generating things
[4:41pm] SMR-adam:
[4:41pm] SMR-adam: in rilla
[4:41pm] Astax: like missions and mining
[4:41pm] SMR-adam: you couldnt get shot while @ port
[4:41pm] SMR-adam: only in port sector
[4:41pm] Incognito: That gives a small window for hunters
[4:42pm] SMR-adam: ya
[4:42pm] SMR-adam: :D would be wack
[4:42pm] Requeim: I dont know. I. Like the way the ships and turns and everything is. I just dont think someone with less exp then 90 percent of the player base should be in a wb at all
[4:42pm] SMR-adam: op time would get weird but i think it could be manageable
[4:42pm] Astax: i think we would see more smaller ops
[4:43pm] SMR-adam: more ops with small people?
[4:43pm] SMR-adam: or the ops would be in the same frequeny, just smaller?
[4:43pm] Jouldax: what's wrong with small people?
[4:43pm] Astax: no, ops where more than 9 ports are busted
[4:43pm] Astax: or 3 planets
[4:43pm] Astax:
[4:43pm] SMR-adam: they smell like cabbage

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[4:43pm] Incognito: On that note, what do you guys think about the changes to port raiding?
[4:43pm] Astax: just a small op like
[4:43pm] Astax: get two ports etc
[4:44pm] SMR-adam: the money part
[4:44pm] SMR-adam: or is there something else ?
[4:44pm] Incognito: there is the money, and also the raid/loot option now
[4:44pm] SMR-adam: ah
[4:44pm] Incognito: Upon completing a port raid you no longer get the money instantly and instead get the option to either raze or loot the port.
[4:44pm] Incognito: Razing a port forces a single downgrade and gives you 75% of the port's money.
[4:44pm] Incognito: Looting a port gives you 100% of the port's money.
[4:45pm] SMR-adam: seems ok
[4:45pm] SMR-adam: 75% is still potentially alot
[4:45pm] SMR-adam: but anyway
[4:45pm] SMR-adam: the money part could be scary..
[4:45pm] SMR-adam: 40% of what is traded into a port goes into the kitty ya?
[4:45pm] Incognito: remember, the turns used to attack a port has been increased to 3 turns per player.
[4:45pm] Page_: 100% of money from buying from the port goes in
[4:45pm] SMR-adam: ah ok
[4:45pm] SMR-Ammon: ooo nice addition
[4:46pm] Requeim: Dprnds how easy they are to bust down really. If one trader can upgrade a port. It sbouldnt take 10 wb's to bust it. It would almost be nice if once every few weeks all the ports jumbled up... new routes. Or new ports to bust down to make the routes.
[4:46pm] Page_: but 0% of selling to port
[4:46pm] Incognito: so yes, you are getting cash
[4:46pm] SMR-adam: it could get scary becaue the small galaxy
[4:46pm] Incognito: but it will cost a lot of turns
[4:46pm] Page_: a level 9 gets $34,775,000
[4:46pm] Page_: to start
[4:46pm] SMR-adam: small galaxy = small uno
[4:46pm] Page_: and it gets reset to that after every time it is razed or looted
[4:46pm] SMR-adam: how many shots will it take to kill a level 9?
[4:46pm] SMR-adam: 14 or something?
[4:46pm] Incognito: depends on numbers
[4:46pm] SMR-adam: full sqaud of 10
[4:47pm] Page_: by my estimate with 10 people it will take around 10-11 shots
[4:47pm] Incognito: 10 shots
[4:47pm] SMR-adam: er
[4:47pm] SMR-adam: so 30 turns
[4:47pm] SMR-adam: to make 3.4mil
[4:47pm] SMR-adam: not a bad deal
[4:47pm] Page_: no, 300
[4:47pm] Incognito: 300 turns
[4:47pm] SMR-adam: _ uno etc
[4:47pm] Page_: to make 34mil
[4:47pm] Incognito: 30 turns from each
[4:47pm] SMR-adam: 3.4mil a person
[4:47pm] SMR-adam:
[4:47pm] Page_: oh wait
[4:47pm] Page_: duh
[4:47pm] Page_: dividing by 10 you sneaky person!
[4:47pm] Requeim: Lol
[4:48pm] GreyDeath: lol
[4:48pm] SMR-adam: uno is not bad though in these small galaxy
[4:48pm] SMR-adam: when we went on that little spree last game it was on average 4-6
[4:48pm] SMR-adam: so when these alskant parts get high
[4:49pm] SMR-adam: there is going to be some big money low turn stuff going down
[4:49pm] Page_: then there'll probably be a bunch of ATMs doing some aggressive bargaining
[4:49pm] SMR-adam: lol
[4:50pm] Incognito: The purpose was to make port raids for money a viable option again
[4:50pm] SMR-adam: ya
[4:50pm] SMR-adam: makes sense
[4:50pm] SMR-adam: but it seems like it could just inflate the economy
[4:50pm] Incognito: But we won't know what tweaks need to be made until we see someone go for it
[4:50pm] SMR-adam: we'll find out soon enough
[4:51pm] Incognito: I'm sure we will
[4:51pm] GreyDeath: there needed to be a second source of cash beyond trading so that alliances could catch up
[4:51pm] SMR-adam: definitely
[4:51pm] SMR-adam: maybe just not 100% though
[4:51pm] Requeim: But trading has to be primary first
[4:51pm] SMR-adam: ports probably spend some of that money we put in on labor etc.
[4:51pm] SMR-adam: so taking some off i dont think is too big of a deal
[4:51pm] SMR-adam: and beer

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[4:52pm] Incognito: Ok, next topic:
[4:52pm] Incognito: Game types people want to see
[4:52pm] Incognito: We've have 2 drafts rounds in a row
[4:52pm] Incognito: and 2 free for all games before that as well
[4:52pm] SMR-adam: draft was fun
[4:52pm] Incognito: Does anyone want to see anything else?
[4:52pm] SMR-adam: i think the draft might be nice if we do smaller squa
[4:52pm] Incognito: or what changes would you like to see to FFA/Draft/Normal
[4:52pm] SMR-adam: and adjust planet to accomodate
[4:53pm] Incognito: so a 4-way draft?
[4:53pm] SMR-adam: something like that
[4:53pm] SMR-adam: no raider ships
[4:53pm] SMR-adam: and make the planets so you can bust in hunter
[4:53pm] SMR-adam: port would get weird
[4:53pm] SMR-adam: but whatever
[4:53pm] Holti: Bouncer, what was the feedback on your evil only round idea?
[4:54pm] Cereal-Killer: Theme based. CTF? Capture the leader?
[4:54pm] SMR-adam: everyone would go WQ
[4:54pm] Incognito: From testing, ports below 7 can be hit
[4:54pm] Page_: it is only the money from you buying goods from the port
[4:54pm] SMR-adam: that seems neat CK
[4:54pm] Incognito: People seemed to enjoy it
[4:54pm] Page_: ie the small number
[4:54pm] Page_: although they also get an extra boost of the number of goods traded * 50
[4:55pm] Incognito: Would anyone be interested in a game that used only neutral ships?
[4:55pm] Incognito: or neutral/evil
[4:56pm] SMR-adam: why you dont allow good too?
[4:56pm] Incognito: FU is too strong
[4:56pm] Astax: well i would in a game that only has neutral ships at start, and for racials you must upgrade your race hq
[4:56pm] Incognito: without a top racial to counter
[4:56pm] SMR-adam: ah
[4:56pm] Incognito: That would be a good idea for a Race Wars game, Astax
[4:57pm] Incognito: You could raid a HQ and prevent people from fedding
[4:57pm] Incognito: for a set amount of time
[4:58pm] SMR-adam: rce war would be what
[4:58pm] SMR-adam: ?
[4:58pm] SMR-adam: join the game and get assigned a race?
[4:58pm] SMR-adam: then you play with those peopl?
[4:58pm] Incognito: that's what it has been before
[4:58pm] Incognito: I think each race had a planet
[4:59pm] SMR-adam: it seems like
[4:59pm] Incognito: but there hasn't been one in a while
[4:59pm] SMR-adam: making people go with a certain group of people
[4:59pm] SMR-adam: will cause rifts
[4:59pm] Incognito: it was never an actual round
[4:59pm] SMR-adam: because our playerbase is poiled and :D
[4:59pm] Incognito: this was back when the playerbase had a few hundred still
[4:59pm] SMR-adam: ah
[4:59pm] Incognito: but you are right
[5:00pm] Incognito: having completely random teams increases the possibility of conflict
[5:00pm] SMR-adam: and then at the opposite end, everyone could go one race
[5:00pm] SMR-adam:
[5:01pm] SMR-adam: if you dont assign
[5:01pm] SMR-adam: race war could be fun though
[5:01pm] SMR-adam: or some concept like
[5:01pm] Astax: well i rather we put some of these ideas into regular roudns so you can reward people strategizing their race picks
[5:01pm] Incognito: maybe reduced races
[5:01pm] SMR-adam: if i get so many relations
[5:01pm] Incognito: 4-5
[5:01pm] SMR-adam: u can get a differnte race;s ship
[5:01pm] Incognito: Probably not skant
[5:01pm] SMR-adam: but @ a premium
[5:01pm] Astax: that's not a bad idea
[5:01pm] SMR-adam: maybe a big preium
[5:02pm] SMR-adam: but ive always wanted to fly a mothership and never had the balls to go ikky
[5:02pm] Incognito: You could require 1000 relations with that race too
[5:02pm] SMR-adam: ya
[5:02pm] SMR-adam: something outrageous
[5:02pm] SMR-adam: but w/ work and $$ u can do new things
[5:03pm] SMR-adam: something else i thought about relations
{{{{[5:03pm] SMR-adam: real quck
[5:03pm] Incognito: ok
[5:03pm] SMR-adam: so the only way for me to gain foreign
[5:03pm] SMR-adam: is to trade there
[5:03pm] SMR-adam: right?
[5:03pm] Incognito: correct
[5:03pm] Incognito: for personals
[5:03pm] SMR-adam: if salvene is at war with a creo
[5:03pm] SMR-adam: and i am a human
[5:03pm] SMR-adam: then i kill a creo
[5:03pm] Astax: right now, this could be changed
[5:03pm] SMR-adam: wont the salvs like me more?
[5:03pm] Incognito: you can increase globals relations on the council
[5:04pm] Incognito: that's an idea
[5:04pm] Requeim: Yeab i woundered that too
[5:05pm] Requeim: How come podding or bwing podded by a race doesnt affect the racial standings. Why would a race of salvene give wrapons to a creo who keeps podding them?
[5:05pm] SMR-adam: agreed
[5:05pm] SMR-adam: but making relations more into the game
[5:05pm] SMR-adam: and the interracial aspect
[5:05pm] Incognito: Here is the plug requesting players to submit map designs
[5:05pm] SMR-adam: (i do enjoy interracial)
[5:05pm] SMR-adam: could do more fun for that layer
[5:05pm] SMR-adam: give people more option
[5:05pm] SMR-adam: and make moves more calculated
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[5:03pm] Incognito: Ok, moving on
[5:03pm] Incognito: Maps
[5:04pm] SMR-adam: ok maps
[5:04pm] Incognito: You could do the same thing with ports
[5:05pm] Incognito: Yes, Maps
[5:06pm] Holti: Here's the link to plug the request for player's ideas for maps: http://smrcnn.smrealms.de/viewforum.php?f=109
[5:06pm] Incognito: ^yes
[5:06pm] Incognito: Please feel free to submit a map idea at any time
[5:06pm] Holti: Seriously, all you need to do is a simple drawing. Jouldax, myself and others can make the map - even design it on beta.smr so you can look at it and make changes.
[5:06pm] Incognito: if you want feedback before submitting a map, feel free to stop by in here and ask
[5:06pm] SMR-adam: k i will make one
[5:07pm] SMR-adam: i think a fun one
[5:07pm] SMR-adam: is territory war
[5:07pm] SMR-adam: like one big planet gal
[5:07pm] SMR-adam: tunnely as hell
[5:07pm] SMR-Ammon: is there going to be a time for questions to admins?
[5:07pm] Incognito: That being said, is there anything you have liked or disliked about the past and current map?
[5:07pm] SMR-adam: seems like when SMR started, they had these ideas of small little planet gals
[5:07pm] SMR-adam: in SM there was really just planets strewn about
[5:07pm] SMR-adam: that made it fun...
[5:08pm] SMR-adam: my planet is 4 sectors from the thevian warp
[5:08pm] Incognito: Go for it
[5:08pm] Astax: well i wouldn't mind there being some flavor to the landers, and they could be strewn about
[5:08pm] Holti: We've kicked the idea of having planets in neutrals instead of planet galaxies before.
[5:08pm] SMR-adam: i can go there, they can come to me
[5:08pm] Holti: I like different ideas - variety is good!
[5:09pm] Page_: I think killing people of another race does decrease relations
[5:09pm] SMR-adam: killing of another
[5:09pm] SMR-adam: but you dont take into consideration that races political affiliations
[5:09pm] SMR-adam: also someone said it good too... global relations can change based on kills as well
[5:09pm] Requeim: Only bad thing about planets in racials is seed stacks stop the movement of other players. Hurts noobs alot and makes them not play when thry cant do anything.
[5:10pm] Incognito: Yes page
[5:10pm] SMR-adam: well you could have a neutral
[5:10pm] SMR-adam: then a planet neutral
[5:10pm] Incognito: but the problem is there is no way to increase by killing
[5:10pm] SMR-adam: but having the weapons in tehre will create action
[5:10pm] Page_: planets in racials could work
[5:10pm] SMR-adam: but someone said like this a minute ago for the relations
[5:10pm] Page_: with the mine timers we have
[5:10pm] SMR-adam: if the salvs keep killing the thevians
[5:10pm] Astax: forces need constant address, this is just one issue with minefields
[5:10pm] SMR-adam: why the hell would the thevians share their stuff?
[5:10pm] Page_: as the seeds would be unmaintainable
[5:10pm] SMR-Ammon: what about the idea of ports being on planets?
[5:11pm] SMR-adam: page the neutral can be called a planet gal..
[5:11pm] SMR-adam: just mix ports/planets/ships/weps
[5:11pm] SMR-adam: but now when someone claims territory
[5:11pm] Requeim: Yrah that was me who said it. Just doesnt make sense at all. Hey arnt you that guy who port busted ua yesterday? Oh well here is some goods... have fun
[5:11pm] SMR-adam: they can either be ballsy and take some planet with a weapon near
[5:11pm] SMR-adam: or stear cler because they dont want to get cleared daily
[5:12pm] SMR-adam: but now you create action
[5:12pm] SMR-adam: because the people will have to fly by the planet
[5:12pm] Page_: currently the killing trigger on a port loses 45 relations with that port
[5:13pm] SMR-adam: personal
[5:13pm] SMR-adam: nothing touches global except the council
[5:13pm] Page_: it could (and probably should) be changed so all attackers lose relations
[5:13pm] Page_: well what happens when someone raids their own race's ports?
[5:13pm] Page_: they lose global relations with themselves?
[5:13pm] SMR-adam: they must be evil
[5:13pm] SMR-adam:
[5:14pm] Holti is now known as Holti_home.

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[5:14pm] Incognito: Ok, we'll wind this down now
[5:14pm] Incognito: Great discussion so far
[5:14pm] Incognito: Does anyone have any general questions?
[5:14pm] Astax: i have suggestions about promoting alliance leadership
[5:14pm] Astax: or rewarding it more or less
[5:15pm] SMR-adam: ..
[5:15pm] Astax: special ship for alliance leader only, one that's perfect for leading ops
[5:15pm] Incognito: And what would that entail?
[5:15pm] GreyDeath: nice, that is straight out of the TW2002 days Astax
[5:15pm] SMR-adam: i like it
[5:15pm] Astax: lower cost of trigger for start
[5:16pm] SMR-adam: maybe special features when x member of alliance online
[5:16pm] Astax: a bit beefier than usual, need less uni, but fewer guns
[5:16pm] Astax: uno*
[5:17pm] Astax: but it's all up for debate
[5:17pm] Astax: most people get fed up leadign alliance and dont want to do it consistantly
[5:17pm] Incognito: So an alliance flagship
[5:17pm] Astax: this would give them a bit more insentive
[5:17pm] Astax: yeah
[5:17pm] Incognito: hmm, interesting idea
[5:18pm] Astax: of course to avoid abuse, you need to set limits like needs x players in alliance. But it would be nice
[5:18pm] Incognito: I would write up a RAF on the webboard, Astax
[5:18pm] Incognito: so people can help flesh out the idea
[5:18pm] Astax: ok
[5:19pm] Incognito: Any other questions/comments?
[5:19pm] SMR-adam: why are there so many admins?
[5:19pm] SMR-adam: it seems like before we just had a couple and the game did well
[5:19pm] SMR-adam: no conflict of interest and people played to play
[5:19pm] SMR-adam: it seems a little political with 1/2 of the active players as admin
[5:20pm] Incognito: yes, it can seem like there are a lot of admins
[5:21pm] Incognito: I think the goal is to have an admin available at all times
[5:22pm] SMR-adam: k
[5:22pm] Incognito: But I would not be the one to ask on that
[5:23pm] Incognito: If no one else has any questions, I think that will conclude this Admin Table
[5:23pm] Incognito: Thanks to those that participated and everyone that came to watch

[XDemonX]

Announce these things sooner next time

[XDemonX]

Jester-: lets make another good/evil ship based on high/low alignment (say 450)

I like this idea out of everything that has been said. Would be nice to bring back that dark green color or dark red color that you use to get when you got +- 300 maybe assign that to 450. To achieve +-450 you would have to bring back the alignment change from attacking ports like it use to be. Port raids are displayed in news and people can see the exp gains from shots on cpl so it isn't exactly easy to go out there PR without attracting attention. This could give something for people to work towards.

A high/low alignment ship would not of course be over powered. Just a slight chance to give it SOME advantage over a normal ship. Of course this ship would be more expensive. Could even consider them some sort of "Ancient" ship.

Federal Ultimatum Legacy. Return it to how FU use it be (43m+) tiny bit more defense and possibly even give it some more scouts. These changes are tiny but that little boost will make people want the ship and the game fun for some people.

Death Cruiser Legacy. Just make DC how it use to be. (29m+) 800 shields/ 400 armor, 100 CDs 125 mines 20 scouts.

[Shady_FA-]

I always thought a fun idea for mini games would be like mini tournaments. Either 1v1s, 2v2s, 3v3s, etc. You would sign up, 8 man/teams or more. Make the gal like a 5x5 and have them fight once or 2/3. Whoever wins moves on. You would sign up as a certain ship and have a certain amount of money/turns and fight until someone dies. Then they move on. In terms of actually coding it though, dunno if it's actually possible. While Solo battles are already fun, 2v2 or 3v3 tourneys would be really fun IMO due to strategy possibilities. Also if there was a way to get people to watch the battles without interfering, it would be fun to watch as well. Think about how fun a 3v3 would be, with like 200 turns and 5 mill each, one uno and ca. Also the tourneys can be either 1 day or multiple days if people can't be online at the same time.

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Certain money/turns can be done reasonably easily, although I would suggest the turns be based upon the speed of the ship they choose, rather than a fixed number for all ships.

As for watching, I guess the easiest way would be if the participants were to stream their view via twitch.tv or something.
As for ways that would require some extra coding then allowing people to fly a immune/invisible ship and giving them full galaxy map vision is one option. The other option would be to allow "spectating" directly on one of the ships (this is kinda possible atm, however it would cause lag with sector locking and the "spectators" would be able to control the ship as well - so it would definitely need to have some work done :P )

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Jester-: lets make another good/evil ship based on high/low alignment (say 450)

I'll see about mocking up a pair of ships for this, although I'm definitely not promising anything. Although another option would be to make the fed/evil ships somewhat cheaper if you are that good/evil?

[Shady_FA-]

Yea the point was so that it would be a short fight with limited turns. So not really a free for all. But planned duels that actually could determine whos the best 1v1er, whos the best team, etc.

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Yea the point was so that it would be a short fight with limited turns. So not really a free for all. But planned duels that actually could determine whos the best 1v1er, whos the best team, etc.

I meant that for instance you might get ship speed * 50 turns or something, so you would have a limited number, but that number would be based upon your ship.

[Astax]

Someone help, I cannot fathom what would make a person best 1v1er in this game outside of loaded dice. But I love idea of tourneys.

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There's not a huge amount imo, however I'll list the ones that come to mind:
Ship/weapon choice: Try to choose ships/weapons that work well against your opponent (for instance vs a deva you want an armour heavy setup), this is primarily in weapons though.
Mines. If you can place mines and hope the enemy walk into yours, whilst avoiding theirs.
Running. If you get a bad first couple of shots then just run and uno before coming back for another round, i.e. only fight when the dice are loaded in your favour.
Last shot. If you can get the last shot in a close fight then that can be the difference in who gets the kill.
Most shots. This is primarily important in fights with CDs, if you trigger the shot first you get to fire with full CDs and maybe kill some of their CDs before their fire back, so you do more damage and they do less. This is particularly skillful if combined with fast shots whilst still combining it with quick calculations of whether to run.

However at the end of the day, beyond knowing when the dice are in your favour and to either run or fight, then there isn't a huge amount of skill in a 1v1. There's a lot more skill involved in picking people off at OPs though, finding a weak straggler and picking them off and escaping before they get backup.